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  This Past Sunday My Wife Took Me To The Elders!

  by enlightenedcynic in

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  early sunday morning, around 1:30 a.m., my wife wakes me and says that she can't sleep and needs to talk with me.

  i say ok and she proceeds to tell me that she wants a seperation.

  i was hurt, but not shocked, because our relationship is not that close at this point after 14 yrs of marriage.

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  she will have no grounds for remarraige and faces disfellowshipping if YOU committ adultery or remarry.

  ...very doubtful this will happen.
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  This Past Sunday My Wife Took Me To The Elders!

  by enlightenedcynic in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  early sunday morning, around 1:30 a.m., my wife wakes me and says that she can't sleep and needs to talk with me.

  i say ok and she proceeds to tell me that she wants a seperation.

  i was hurt, but not shocked, because our relationship is not that close at this point after 14 yrs of marriage.

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  Spiritual endangerment is not that new of a reason for separation.

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  w88 11/1 pp. 22-23 pars. 12-13 When Marital Peace Is Threatened ***

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  Absolute endangerment of spirituality also provides a basis for separation. The believer in a religiously divided home should do everything possible to take advantage of God’s spiritual provisions. But separation is allowable if an unbelieving mate’s opposition (perhaps including physical restraint) makes it genuinely impossible to pursue true worship and actually imperils the believer’s spirituality. Yet, what if a very unhealthy spiritual state exists where both mates are believers? The elders should render assistance, but especially should the baptized husband work diligently to remedy the situation. Of course, if a baptized marriage partner acts like an apostate and tries to prevent his mate from serving Jehovah, the elders should handle matters according to the Scriptures. If disfellowshipping takes place in a case involving absolute endangerment of spirituality, willful nonsupport, or extreme physical abuse, the faithful Christian who seeks a legal separation would not be going against Paul’s counsel about taking a believer to court.—1 Corinthians 6:1-8.

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  If circumstances are extreme, then, separation may be warranted. But flimsy pretexts obviously should not be used to obtain a separation. Any Christians who do separate must bear personal responsibility for that action and should realize that all of us will render an account to Jehovah.—Hebrews 4:13.
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  Acknowledging the opposition within: Small number of JW's disgruntled

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this in regard to mary's post of the july 15, wt "see the goodness of jehovah's organization".

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/114847/1.ashx.

  there have been a number of important and exciting developments in the society during the first half of 2006. firstly, a large number of bethelites are being evicted (i wonder if the.

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  in my opinion the majority of Witnesses fit into that category, whether they talk about it or not.

  I agree. I suspect it is an unintended, unanticipated and unwanted by-product of so many "new light" theories. The WTBTS's mantra has been that if you don't agree with something...wait and see...Jehovah will give more light on the subject. So, that is what people are doing...forming their own belief constructs and waiting the the FDS to catch up.
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  Acknowledging the opposition within: Small number of JW's disgruntled

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this in regard to mary's post of the july 15, wt "see the goodness of jehovah's organization".

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/114847/1.ashx.

  there have been a number of important and exciting developments in the society during the first half of 2006. firstly, a large number of bethelites are being evicted (i wonder if the.

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  We are a pioneer/elder's wife, 15 year regular pioneer, and me (I don't want to to disclose too much about myself). Yesterday, my husband and I went to visit a DO and his wife who are in our area for vacation. I will probably be visiting the DOs wife this fall when I travel to their area with my youngest daughter to get her settled in law school...yep, I said law school.

  You should have seen us laughing about the Daniel book.
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  Acknowledging the opposition within: Small number of JW's disgruntled

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this in regard to mary's post of the july 15, wt "see the goodness of jehovah's organization".

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/114847/1.ashx.

  there have been a number of important and exciting developments in the society during the first half of 2006. firstly, a large number of bethelites are being evicted (i wonder if the.

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  Eventually it will dawn on them that there is no effective way to combat sincere and substantiable criticism.

  AuldSoul is correct. I am an active, practicing JW. By way of background, I do not believe that the FDS has yet been appointed, I do not believe that Jesus returned in 1914, etc. I am part of a growing development among JWs, namely, those who pick and choose what they believe based upon their own research and understanding of the Bible. This weekend several of us had a discussion regarding the Writer's Inkhorn (a topic that was marched out at the last assembly). Long story short, we do not believe the WTBTS's understanding. The preaching work is NOT a marking work, and we do not believe the Writer has been marking since 1919. What about those that were 'marked' in 1919, but have since died? They have the resurrection hope REGARDLESS of their stance (or mark) in 1919. So, does the mark wash off upon death? That would make it a pretty useless mark.

  What is interesting is that none of us are considered 'fringe.' The WTBTS has a bigger problem than the openly "disgruntled." They have us, those that give the appearance of being compliant, but who practice and believe what they want.
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  Vicky Boer case (question)

  by happysunshine in

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  2. friends

  i heard that the case was lost, and the wts won a huge counter suit?!?

  can anyone give me the low down on how this worked, and the details, as i find it hard to believe.

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  My apologies...I was thinking of another case...
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  Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15 -- not on any CD Library that I possess.

  by Schizm in

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  truthseeker posted the following quote, here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/114458/2002789/post.ashx#2002789.

  i attempted to verify the quote by referring to the society's library, which i possess.

  in fact i posess the 1997, 2004, and 2005 libraries.

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  Ever write a letter to a friend and then later reflect on it only to have it dawn on you that it could have been better worded? Those who pen the articles for the Society's publications are only human too.

  I agree with you Schizm that the FDS is not inspired. But in a circumstance such as you mention above, what would you do? Would you seek to find the letter and destory it as the WTBTS has attempted by shuting down websites that only reproduce their work? If that friend was offended and showed your letter to someone else, would you deny writing the letter and defame your "friends" name?

  Or, would you admit your mistake and ask your friends forgiveness, which the WTBTS is incapable of doing?

  As a practicing JW, I too do not focus on the trivial...a word or sentence here or there. However, I DO focus on patterns of behavior, because that shows a persons (or an organizations) heart condition. Our "pattern" has not been "healthy" for a while.
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  Vicky Boer case (question)

  by happysunshine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i heard that the case was lost, and the wts won a huge counter suit?!?

  can anyone give me the low down on how this worked, and the details, as i find it hard to believe.

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  The perpetrator was convicted and sent to prison. However, she did not prevail in her attempt to link the elders and WTBTS. Whichever case succeeds in making this link will be ground-breaking.

  Currently, religious organizations such as the Catholic Church, JWs, polygamists, etc. hide behind the First Admendment. ANYTIME a court wants to investigate church behavior, the churches claim they are protected from investigation via the First Amendment. They claim any questioning regarding church dogma (such as not reporting pedophiles, faith-healing only/no medical treatment) crosses the line into the government determining the validity of doctrine.

  So, when I say she did not succeed in linking the elders and WTBTS, this does NOT mean that there was no evidence that the elders turned a blind eye and that person/s at Bethel knew about it. They never got that far because the court refused to hear that portion of the case, based upon the First Admendment defense thrown-up by the WTBTS.

  I suspect the courts will swing the other way shortly and start taking a harder line with churches via the "No harm" doctrine.
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  Judge outlaws prison group's Bible program

  by daniel-p in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  interesting - could this cause problems for meetings and bible studies held at prisons by jw's?

  judge outlaws prison group's bible program .

  des moines, iowa (ap) -- a judge has ruled that a bible-based prison program violates the first amendment's freedom of religion clause by using state funds to promote christianity to inmates.

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  Daniel P:

  I'm not sure that I understand the question...I'll take a shot at an answer. RLUIPA states that prisoners must be allowed to practice their faith while incarcerated. Therefore, if you have a group of Catholics that want Sunday mass, reasonable accomodations must be made. If you have a group of JWs that want to study the Watchtower, reasonable accomodations must be provided.

  This, however, is a problem: Lynn's group accused Prison Fellowship Ministries of giving preferential treatment to inmates participating in the program. They were given special visitation rights, movie-watching privileges, access to computers and access to classes needed for early parole.

  At this point, they elevated one religious group over another religious group...tacit endorsement.
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  Judge outlaws prison group's Bible program

  by daniel-p in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  interesting - could this cause problems for meetings and bible studies held at prisons by jw's?

  judge outlaws prison group's bible program .

  des moines, iowa (ap) -- a judge has ruled that a bible-based prison program violates the first amendment's freedom of religion clause by using state funds to promote christianity to inmates.

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  KWR is correct. JWs, and all other religious groups that hold services in prisons, are protected under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) and the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA). These acts state that prisoners must be accomodated so that they can practice their faith despite being incarcerated.

  The Des Moines case differs in that state funds were being used, in essence, to promote one religion over another, thereby establishing a state religion, which violate the Establishment Clause.